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on spending cuts in order to raise the debt ceiling and key senate republican says mr. obama doesn't get it. >> you have a kid that keeps a credit card loaded and a person that would tear up the credit card but you look at the credit. republicans are willing to pay for past bill but this is about the future bill. the president misses the point here. >> reporter: today, house democratic whip steny hoyer said new revenue must accompany spending cuts. for day, the final passage is expected in the house in the next hour or so. bret? >> bret: mike, we will follow that on fox. thank you. ominous note now from one of the world's top credit agencies. fitch rating says the u.s. could lose the top credit rating if there is a delay in raising the debt limit. we'll find out with the senior political analyst brit hume thinks about this. good evening. >> good evening. the warning from the fitch rating agency today is certainly will become talking point for president and democrats who claim the republicans are using the debt ceiling recklessly as leverage for spending cuts. worry over the debt ceiling is

of as irresponsible to not raise the debt ceiling. in my view, it is irresponsible to raise the debt ceiling in the absence of changing the way that we do business here, starting with the approval of the budget. thought to be compassionate to spend money. how can it be compassionate to spend money that is not yours? and for our country to have growth and economic opportunity, there is no question but what the debt and deficit is a drag on that opportunity. we have a responsibility as american citizens to right this wrong. >> i serve on the senate budget committee, and i can tell you, the most disappointing part of having served your the last two years is relatively new member, we have not done a budget for this country in the senate. it is incredibly disappointing. the senate democrats have not been willing to do the budget will we are over $16 trillion in debt. no the talk about the fact that the ipad has come into existence during the nearly four years that we have not had a budget. i happen to have a five year-old son. and so nearly most of his lifetime we have not had a budget for this c

, house republicans have taken a step back on this debt ceiling standoff. should it be raised. this is how "the new york times" described it over the weekend. i'll put it up on the screen and have you react to it. backing down from the hardline stance, house republicans said friday they would agree to lift the lift the federal government government's statutory barri barring -- borrowing limit for three months, with a requirement that both chambers of the congress pass a budget in that time to clear the way for negotiations on long-term deficit reduction, to add muscle to the efforts to bring democrats to the table, they would include a provision in the debt ceiling legislation saying that lawmakers will not be paid if they do not pass a budget blueprint. was it right to step back from challenging the president over raising the debt ceiling? >> well, i think the house proposal is a step in the right direction. no doubt the senate hasn't done it's job. it's been nearly four years since it's passed a budget. but it doesn't go nearly far enough. we have a crisis. i just got back last week from

. >> well, good luck with tha >>> raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is say that america will pay its bills. and water not a dead beat nation. >> sounds simple, doesn't it? but like so many other crises and standoffs from the past two years, raising the nation's debt ceiling is a zero sum props. somebody wins only if somebody else loses. we're speaking of of course politically here, not financially. economically it's hard to find any winners if the treasury can't close the budget gap. runs about $100 million every month. my next guest worries about it a lot. signor partner and managing director of the boston consulting group and author and columnist. so this becomes tricky for people tound, but essentially the debt ceiling, is it the kind of tool that anybody should be used in order to force people to be more austere in the way they spend in the future? >> well, it's a way to do it, but it's a very dangerous way to do it because we start playing with everybody in our economy eye lives. so if we hit the debt ceiling and we don't have a bill that changes

votes do provide a template for how, by the way, the debt ceiling might ultimately get raised. on the tax deal, house republican leaders had political cover from senate republicans. on sandy, chris christie provided the political cover, leaving house leaders, frankly, cowering. now the kotch brothers, through a group they backed, called americans for prosperity, are the latest to give boehner and other house leaders cover on the debt ceiling, as they get their rank and file to pick other political fights. tim phillips, president of americans for prosperity, told the financial times, quote, we're saying calibrate your message, focus on long-term spending instead of long-term debt. focusing on the debt ceiling makes the message more difficult. when i asked walden about the debt ceiling yesterday, he was clearly noncommittal, hinting on where the republican leadership maybe is on this. if there's not a majority in the house republican to raise the debt limit, but there is a majority in the house of representatives to raise a clean debt limit, would this leadership be willing to d

begun to back off on the debt ceiling fight. you note that sandy aid passed even though it only got 46 republican votes in the house. it seems to me this strategy of laying out what you want and then negotiating is better than trying to figure out what the other side wants. >> chairman steel, there's been some discussion as to whether this was even, many of the, that progressive of a speech, but the reaction from conservative outlets -- >> oh, baby, it was. >> i have been waiting for the real barack obama to show up, and i don't mean that as a criticism. i mean that honestly. knowing him as i have come to know him over the years, going back to when he first came to washington as a senator, that's the guy that i as chairman was prepared to do battle against and framed my chairmanship and even wrote a book about how to defeat this agenda, this very progressive agenda for conservatives to wake up coming out of the slumps of 2006 and 2008. >> can i say one thing, though, and ezra, i would like to get your thoughts on this. i thought it was a progressive vision for the country. at the same

tax-funded bailouts. period. >> years of spending under both parties add up and the debt ceiling talks of 2011 led to a budget attend off between democrats and republicans who took back control of the house of representatives in the midterms. >> is there a risk the united states could lose their aaa rating? yes-or-no. >> no risk. >> the debt ceiling was raised in august the political fight in the spot lighted on the deficit and debt problems less s&p to downgrade the u.s. credit rating for the first time in history. >> geithner steered the major economic moves in the first term and now he is stepping down. president obama's pick to replace him is jack lew, who has established a close relationship with the president. lew is not is chummy with republicans on the hill after the debt ceiling negotiation back in 2011. for that reason and others, his confirmation hearing could be bumpy. if confirmed, he will be dealing with the top issue in this second term, how to get the economy moving and addressing the country's long term fiscal problems. >> this is a president that is forced to grapple

the debt ceiling in a timely manner and providing more clarity on policies could actually generate a boost in confidence and open the door for faster growth in the second half of 2013. looking at the labor market, we see lackluster growth in 2013 wing on job creation. we actually see gains of slowing in the first half of 2013 before picking up. it is a little bit slower than in the 4 1/4 with the doctrines of around 50,000 per month. slower gdp growth is going to be driven, we think, by a consumer that is going to be hobbled by tax increases. we will remain positive in 2013 combined -- in 2013, but not appositive in consumer spending over the fourth quarter the second half will be particularly weighed down by less money in their paychecks. and we think as the year progresses, the strength of the housing market, the while the effects of the home price gains and perhaps to improvement in housing could lead to somewhat stronger consumer spending. we did see a 12% gain in housing starts this morning month over month. 37% year over year. these are strong numbers. we did see improvement in home

for the debt ceiling proposal. that was from the last time the house republicans threatened the country with defaulting on our debt back in 2011. dennis ross, you probably should have calibrated your place in line a little better. throw a democrat in there ahead of you when you realize that's what you're going to get. get there in time for the repeal prohibition amendment next time. that's more fun. if you have found yourself at home constitutionally -- forgive me, constitutionally incapable of getting excited over having another fight about the debt ceiling this year, if this isn't exciting because it just feels like groundhog day to you, oh my god, i've got reckless brinksmanship fatigue, it is true that it's hard to get excited over something we have done before. it is 2013 now. remember when it happened it was a total disaster. even if you just ignore the political consequences, if you just look at the economic impact, it was a self-imposed economic disaster caused by washington refusing to do something that it needs to do and that it has done dozens of times before. republicans jus

are huddling in southern virginia. to come up with a strategy over the drama over the debt ceiling. continuing resolution and sequester cuts. one of them admits it's a tough situation for them. >> there is no celebration in the fact we are a nation of $16 trillion in debt. you have somebody in the white house that says to do the one thing that makes no sense whatsoever. that is raise the debt creeling with no change in the future. that is absurd argument. >> let's get more on the republican messaging from senior political analyst. brit hume. good evening. >> hi, bret. >> the house republicans are not wrong to seek spending cut to allow borrowing by a treasury more than $16 trillion in debt. but in politics it's not enough to be right. you need to be effective. it requires recognition that politics is a team sport and being united is critical. this is true if the party controls one house of congress and the other party not only has the other one but the white house as well. consider what happened in the recent fiscal cliff end game. taxes were set to go up by law on january 1. some house republ

's debt ceiling through may 19. that vote is set for tomorrow. congressman paul ryan, last year's republican vice presidential nominee, said today republicans want to shift the focus to enacting a budget, with major spending cuts. the senate is going on four years now for not having passed a budget. we think this gives us the time we need in this nation to have a good, thorough vigorous and honest debate about what it takes to get our fiscal house in order and about how to budget. families budget. businesses budget. our federal government should budget. >> ifill: the bill also says if lawmakers don't enact a budget with spending cuts, they won't be paid. in the senate, democratic majority leader harry reid declined to comment on that provision, but he did say that, in general, he welcomes the house move. >> i'm very glad that they sent us up a clean... they're going to send us a clean debt ceiling bill. the other stuff on it will athat when we need to. i'm glad we're not facing crisis here in a matter of a few days. >> sreenivasan: president obama said he wanted a longer-term ex

up and the debt ceiling talks of 2011 led to a budget standoff between democrats and republicans who had taken back control of the house in the mid-terms. >> is there a risk that the united states could lose its triple-a credit rating, yes or no? >> no risk of that. >> no risk. >> the debt ceiling was raised in august, the political fight and the spotlight on the count row's deficit and debt problems led s&p to downgrade the u.s. credit rating for the first time in history. >> geithner steered the major economic moves in the first term, now he's stepping down at treasury. the pick to replace him is jack lew, who has established a close relationship with the president. he is know chummy with the republicans on the hill after the debt ceiling negotiation. for that reason and other, his looming confirmation hearing could be bumpy. but if confirmed, lew will likely be dealing with the top issue in this second term, how to get the economy moving and addressing the count re's long-term fiscal problems. >> this is a president that is forced to grapple to the tenor of our times with the budg

is getting congress to increase the nation's debt ceiling at that talk about cutting the debt. that's where some think he will try to cement his legacy. >> he's going to try to get our long term in thailand obligations under control and set us on a new fiscal course. >> the president's first foreign-policy priority last term was israeli-palestinian peace. it's unlikely to take the top spot the second time, where most expect the president's focus to be on iran. >> it's hard to believe if we can't get a meaningful negotiation within the next two years that you will not have it read capable of producing a nuclear weapons. then, the u.s. has the choice in its negotiations -- will the solution be containment or is it going to be a preventive strike? >> as he takes the oath again, he will do it with the experience of that presidencies are often formed by crises that happened outside of their control. he will know all folksy brought here last i did not change washington. he will try something -- you have to try something new if you want to accomplish his ambitious agenda this type. >> there are re

on lifting the debt ceiling. majority leader eric cantor said today republicans want an interim measure to provide about three more months of borrowing authority. the bill would not mandate immediate spending cuts, as house speaker john boehner earlier promised. instead, it would force congress to pass a budget or go without being paid. the government could reach the current debt ceiling by mid-february. ray nagin, the mayor of new orleans during hurricane katrina, has been indicted on charges for corruption. a federal grand jury accused him today of bribery, wire fraud, and money laundering while in office. nagin was the city's mayor from 2002 until 2010. two former new orleans officials and two businessmen have already pleaded guilty in the case. u.s. attorney general eric holder today defended president obama's moves to curb gun violence. the president signed 23 executive orders this week, calling for such things as more research into gun violence. today, in washington, holder told the u.s. conference of mayors that there's no question the orders are legal. >> now let me be very clea

, but raising the debt ceiling for a budget to be named later is to me something i probably won't be able to vote for. >> if you raised it for three months unconditionally, three months from now what principles do you stand on to keep you from raising it again? >> all republicans have been frustrated by the senate failing to pass a budget. speaker boehner's office released inknow graphic about what could have been accomplished since the last budget passed on april 29, 2009. it clouded 179 round trips to the moon. circumnavigating the globe 73 times. leading senate republicans say it's time for the senate to step up. it has been four year since the senate acted on a budget. in fact, if you believe this. many of you have ipads. ipads didn't exist the last time the senate passed a budget. >> the senate majority didn't say no but he didn't fully embrace the house deal either. >> i'm glad that they sent us up a clean -- they are going to send us a clean debt ceiling bill. the other stuff on it, we'll approach it when we need to. glad we're not facing a crisis here in a matter of a few days. >>

credit status if there's a delay in raising the debt ceiling. the federal government is expected to exceed its borrowing limit by march, unless congress acts. if fitch does downgrade u.s. debt, it would join standard and poor's, which took that action in 2011 during the last debt ceiling debate. the u.s. house moved to pass a hurricane sandy relief bill this evening. $17 billion would go for immediate recovery in the affected northeastern states. another $33 billion is for long- term spending. some republicans argued that much of the money isn't for emergency relief at all. california's tom mcclintock called for stripping that funding out. >> according to the congressional budget office, more than 90% of this money won't even be spent this year. that's not emergency relief. $16 billion is to quintuple the size of the community development block grant program. that's the slush fund that pays for such dubious projects as doggie day care centers and doesn't even have to be spent in the hurricane area. >> sreenivasan: other republican >> sreenivasan: other republicans joined with mos

the pomp and pageanpageantry, this morni questions about the debt ceiling, gun control and how to get congress to work together. we'll get to that. but last night it was all about celebrating the second term of the 44th president of the united states of america. nbc's steve handelsman has more. >> reporter: they wowed the crowd at the inaugural balls. president obama in white tie but first lady michelle obama in a ruby red gown by jason wu. this was the ball for the military. >> i have no greater honor than being your commander in chief. >> reporter: it had been an obama family day. malia and sasha, dad and mom. as america paid tribute. an inaugural parade that showed off the nation's talent and diversity. >> i, barack hussein obama, do solemnly swear. >> reporter: the presidential's ceremonial swearing-in witnessed by as many as 1 million people. >> congratulations, mr. obama. >> reporter: mr. obama urged cooperation, rare now in washington, to cut health care costs and the deficit. >> but we reject the belief that america must choose between caring for the generation that built this

.s. faces a new deadline of potentially defaulting on its debt next month unless the debt ceiling can be increased. republicans have maintained their stance that any borrowing hike must be offset by slashing government spending. add is what does this conference on monday, obama called the republican demand unacceptable. >> republicans in congress have two choices. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills, or they can act irresponsibly of america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. the financial well-being of the american people is not leveraged to be used. the full faith and credit of the u.s. is not a bargaining chip. >> the death toll from the syrian government airstrike on a northern town has reached at least 20 people in addition to around 100 wounded. the victims were gathered in the public market when syrian warplanes bombed them from the sky sunday. the group doctors without borders says the attacks followed earlier bombings of local health facilities, making it nearly impossible to adequ

are looming. one example the debt creel and controlli -- debt ceiling and what americans describe as out of control spending. republicans take with the attitude toward congress at this point? >> to get real solutions president obama needs to understand what will pass in the republican led house. it will also be acceptable to him. lawmakers tend to be unhappy when the president goes around them. they called on mr. obama to do better. >> he speaks in general terms likes the executive order approach a whole lot better than the legislative approach. you can't get all that foreign with executive order. you have to legislate and you have to legislate realistically. you have to realize you don't control the entire congress. >> republicans don't like that the president is converting his campaign apparatus into a purpose that helped him in his second term. they are thinking that is probably not a good sign in working in a bipartisan fashion. >> one area where they do not agree at all is over the budget. it>> it has been a source of problems when they work on critical issues and budget is a key co

. there's really important things he's working on, including the next big discussion on the debt ceiling. >> and it has always been true that good policy makes good politics. so if he does want to run for president, taking care of his policy now is probably the best way to do it. >> focusing on being the best vp he can possibly be. >> delaware attorney general, beau biden, thanks for taking the time. i know it's been a busy couple of days. >>> now, what really happened during that four-day hostage crisis in algeria. the very latest on that situation is. coming up next. plus, new signs that russia may be preparing for the collapse of syria's government. >>> but first, today's trivia question. how many presidents have chosen not to swear the oath of office? tweet us, @dalyrundown. the first correct answer will get a follow tuesday from us. that answer and much, much more is coming up on t"the daily rundow rundown". >>> time for the "your business" entrepreneur of the week. kathleen king had a successful business in the hamptons, but a partnership that went sour resulted in her losing it. l

the debt ceiling is not the armageddon it's been out to be and some say it's just an excuse for the president to keep on spending. explain their position. >> and it's not a small group of republicans. it might be the dominant thought process right now inside the house republican conference. they basically believe if you don't raise the debt limit, it does not necessarily mean default, that you can stack your payments, you can wait until enough tax revenue comes in to delay some payments, that you can shut down parts of the government that they don't consider essential. that just because we don't raise the debt limit, it would default. despite pressure from big business, despite pressure from the president, despite pressure from their own leadership, there's a lot of house republicans who just don't buy it. they don't believe what everybody else is saying about the effects of not raising the debt limit which to me says there's a better chance that there's the potential for default than people realize because house republicans have had it. they feel they have to make a stand,

's and business leaders and talking about the fiscal cliff and the debt ceiling debate coming in the weeks ahead and you'll remember at a previous jobs council meeting, the president made a comment that back fired on him and to what jay carney said about the president and the economy. >> shovel ready was not as shovel ready as we expected. >> the reelection was in some ways for all of us here, you know, a humbling experience because it was an assertion by the electorate to said despite how hard the last four years have been on this country because of the great economic crisis that we were in when the president took office, that the steps that we've taken have been the right steps, and more work needs to be done. >> more work needs to be done. when you talk to the president's top advisors, they say he wants to act quickly after the inaugural address and state of the union coming up in february to work on key domestic issues like immigration he reform, like gun control that he's been talking about throughout this week, but he realizes as well, they say, that he's got to keep his eye on the ball in

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